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So, basically everything a human gets and a few bonuses to make it an elite human for LA 1. Fair enough, but, the trade-offs for the LA aren't worth it quite. It's a bit on the low end. While it does add to the basic concept of "flexible creation race", it's just missing something. For that LA you get Outsider type (not a big deal), some spellcasting (also pretty minor), and an ability score tweaking (which is cool, but for the LA 1 cost, a penalty is lame). This character is going to be crippled with less BAB, saves, skill-point max, HP, HD and class abilities than his fellows. He needs more to show for it. I wish I had some suggestions, but for the moment, I don't. Maybe someone else does or can carry this on from here. --Ganteka Future 04:44, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

I think you might be forgetting the bit where all heroics start with +6 to all stats on top of the bonus and penalty listed there. --Ghostwheel 05:00, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I did miss that. Man, tonight is a spectacular display of failed Spot checks. Heck, I was even gonna mention "Why for they die so young?". So yeah, amend my previous comment to read that this just fails (because that's a game-breaking loophole, well, not loophole, since, if you actually read everything, is fairly obvious) instead of being weak. --Ganteka Future 05:05, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
I'm not seeing where that is said on there, and I've looked at every word three times. Where does it say that? Havvy 19:29, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
Under their aging effects, they get no penalties for aging, and instead get a +2 bonus to each stat for each age category. --Ganteka Future 19:43, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

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